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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199106963" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mark-i-m <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199106963">(May 29 2020 at 02:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>So I have a question especially targeted to team members and contributors: a lot people in the contributor survey expressed feeling bad about "wasting busy expert time" by asking questions. So my question is do you feel like questions from less experience contributors are disruptive to you or slowing you down?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199106978" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mark-i-m <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199106978">(May 29 2020 at 02:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>I ask because if it doesn't, then the solution is simply to encourage people to ask questions, but if it does, we need another solution...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199107181" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199107181">(May 29 2020 at 02:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>my only problem is when people PM me</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199107189" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199107189">(May 29 2020 at 02:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>when it would be better to ask questions in a public channel</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199107210" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199107210">(May 29 2020 at 02:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can understand <em>why</em> someone might PM, since it seems good to only distract one person rather than worry about causing your Question to end up in the notification list for every member of the team</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199107273" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mark-i-m <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199107273">(May 29 2020 at 02:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>ah, i wonder if others feel that way... I tend to PM others quite often</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199107283" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199107283">(May 29 2020 at 02:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>and in practice I usually just try to respond with "hey good question, but lets move it to a private area"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199107295" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mark-i-m <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199107295">(May 29 2020 at 02:15)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> is your reasoning that if they asked in a public channel, others could see the answer too?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199107297" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199107297">(May 29 2020 at 02:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>well, maybe I'm not always <em>that</em> nice about it. I think my issue is that I interpret PM's as being for high priority items</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199107309" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mark-i-m <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199107309">(May 29 2020 at 02:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>good to know</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199107314" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199107314">(May 29 2020 at 02:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yes, I think public channels are better for general knowledge distribution</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199107363" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199107363">(May 29 2020 at 02:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>since both other readers can learn, and also other people can clarify the answer</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199107377" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199107377">(May 29 2020 at 02:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>But I have to admit that my own personal interpretation of PM's as being for high priority items is probably something that ends up being a bigger issue in my head</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199107898" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199107898">(May 29 2020 at 02:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>FWIW Zulip's UI makes PMs horrible because you get a notification <em>for every single message</em></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199107902" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199107902">(May 29 2020 at 02:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>and there's no way to mute that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199107924" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199107924">(May 29 2020 at 02:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>whereas I can follow along in a public stream and respond from time to time and get pinged periodically and that's fine</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199107943" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199107943">(May 29 2020 at 02:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>you can mute the notifications for PMs entirely, no?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199108015" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199108015">(May 29 2020 at 02:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>(not that I've tried: I'm just skimming the settings after seeing <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> 's message...)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199119026" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> oli <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199119026">(May 29 2020 at 06:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>While I do generally prefer getting pinged on public channels, I have no problems with PMs. Also yea, I don't feel like anyone's wasting my time by asking me stuff. ppl should definitely ask</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199138815" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199138815">(May 29 2020 at 10:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>hm yeah but I would like <em>one</em> notification, as you say, PMs can be "urgent" in some sense</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199138833" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199138833">(May 29 2020 at 10:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>I agree that I'm happy to answer questions in public channels</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199140357" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Léo Lanteri Thauvin <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199140357">(May 29 2020 at 11:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>Maybe if we write a paragraph on asking questions in the Rustc Dev Guide, people would feel more comfortable asking?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199140384" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199140384">(May 29 2020 at 11:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>Is there anyone who thinks PM's <em>are</em> better?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199140457" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199140457">(May 29 2020 at 11:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>(not merely "fine", but actually preferable, either for them personally, or for the good of the group as a whole, as I <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion/near/199107210">hypothesized above in a devil's advocate manner</a>?)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199140909" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> oli <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199140909">(May 29 2020 at 11:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think PMs actually have a lower entry barrier for ppl to contact me, because their message is not exposed to the world. (And I hope that everyone knows nothing they write me is annoying to me or will make me laugh at them). I have sometimes said "let's take this to a public channel", but only if I think it impacts/helps others for the discussion to be public.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199140982" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199140982">(May 29 2020 at 11:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>hmm. So I guess there needs to be a decision collectively about how people in general feel about this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199141001" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Léo Lanteri Thauvin <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199141001">(May 29 2020 at 11:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm not a compiler expert, but I guess that since Zulip allows for parallel discussions, you can open a new discussion without it interfering with other running discussions. However, newcomers might not consider this and prefer PMs to not disturb running conversations.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199141030" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199141030">(May 29 2020 at 11:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>if most people do <em>not</em> interpret PM's as "high priority interruptions" or are not otherwise annoyed by getting them, then maybe our policy shouldn't discourage PM's.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199141041" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199141041">(May 29 2020 at 11:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>at the very least it seems worth double checking about this at a team meeting, either today or on Thursday</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199141109" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199141109">(May 29 2020 at 11:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>(at least, I don't want to be the sole reason that we end up adding language discouraging PM's, even though I personally would prefer that.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199141122" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> oli <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199141122">(May 29 2020 at 11:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>Note that you can actually ping someone in a PM and it'll show up in <code>@mentions</code></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199141144" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199141144">(May 29 2020 at 11:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>you mean in ... a PM you're not otherwise participating in?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199141151" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> oli <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199141151">(May 29 2020 at 11:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>so maybe it's possible to disable PM notifications and just keep <code>@mention</code> notifications?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199141161" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> oli <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199141161">(May 29 2020 at 11:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>no</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199141170" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199141170">(May 29 2020 at 11:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay <strong>phew</strong></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199141174" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> oli <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199141174">(May 29 2020 at 11:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>in my own PMs ppl have pinged me xD</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199141188" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> oli <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199141188">(May 29 2020 at 11:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>don't worry, PMs mentioning other ppl doesn't ping them, I've experimented on this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199141281" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199141281">(May 29 2020 at 11:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>that'd be awkward</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199141306" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199141306">(May 29 2020 at 11:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>I try to avoid PMs where I can - with the exception of when using Discord - because I don't mind asking a question publicly and it can be helpful for other people to see what's going on and jump in. I definitely understand why some people might not feel comfortable asking questions publicly - but I'm not sure we should encourage PMs because of that, though I think it'd make sense to not-discourage them.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199141866" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199141866">(May 29 2020 at 11:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hm I should explore the notification thing, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="124288">@oli</span> - if that's true, then I don't mind PMs either. Though I would still prefer to help in public to hopefully ease later someone uplifting to dev guide</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199141941" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> oli <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199141941">(May 29 2020 at 11:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>Definitely, but anything we can do to reduce the barrier for first contact is a good thing in my book. I've frequently moved from PM to public discussion, and maybe I should do that more aggressively.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199142026" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> oli <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199142026">(May 29 2020 at 11:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>I've literally had ppl write me "idk where to ask this, so I'm contacting you"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199142045" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199142045">(May 29 2020 at 11:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>Sure! I wonder if having e.g. history and logging for /help disabled like we did on irc for beginners would be of interest</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199142070" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199142070">(May 29 2020 at 11:37)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="124288">oli</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion/near/199142026">said</a>:</p>
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<p>I've literally had ppl write me "idk where to ask this, so I'm contacting you"</p>
</blockquote>
<p>This I can understand and try not to get annoyed by</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199142084" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199142084">(May 29 2020 at 11:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I think we can't disable history entirely, but maybe just the "if you join you don't see things before you did")</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199142167" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199142167">(May 29 2020 at 11:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>"you don't see things before you did" ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199142178" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199142178">(May 29 2020 at 11:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh before you joined?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199142189" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199142189">(May 29 2020 at 11:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199142201" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199142201">(May 29 2020 at 11:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>by "history" I thought <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> meant the zulip-archive</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199142228" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199142228">(May 29 2020 at 11:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>Actually, you can't do protected history in a public stream.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199142243" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199142243">(May 29 2020 at 11:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>That's one of the two options for private streams - protected and non-protected history.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199142278" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199142278">(May 29 2020 at 11:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>Ah okay</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199142323" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199142323">(May 29 2020 at 11:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>Well, we can at least get rid of archiving</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199142328" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199142328">(May 29 2020 at 11:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>It's probably something that upstream would be willing to add.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199142416" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199142416">(May 29 2020 at 11:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm confused in part because I wasn't even aware that <code>/help</code> existed here. And playing in <a class="stream-topic" data-stream-id="122653" href="/#narrow/stream/122653-zulip/topic/test123">#zulip &gt; test123</a> indicates that it doesn't, at least not there?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199142440" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199142440">(May 29 2020 at 11:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>I assumed <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> meant <a class="stream" data-stream-id="182449" href="/#narrow/stream/182449-t-compiler.2Fhelp">#t-compiler/help</a>, the stream.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199142446" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199142446">(May 29 2020 at 11:42)</a>:</h4>
<p><strong>oh</strong></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199142727" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199142727">(May 29 2020 at 11:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>Maybe we can do something to make it more obvious that e.g. t-compiler/help stream is the place to ask questions, and that includes beginners</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199166446" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199166446">(May 29 2020 at 15:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>this is a very interesting discussion and good to know how it bothers some people as someone that is not bothered by PMs and use to send PMs</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199166552" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199166552">(May 29 2020 at 15:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>Zulip notification system has a lot to improve, that's clear, I kind of tend to shutdown all the notifications when I want to be focused on something</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199166631" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199166631">(May 29 2020 at 15:06)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="119009">@eddyb</span> had some good complaints about Zulip notification system, maybe we should ask them to improve? :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199166983" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199166983">(May 29 2020 at 15:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>btw, one thing that I personally like about PMs is the closer kind of interactions it allows you to generate, I got to know a lot about contributors without personally having spent a lot of time with them</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199167034" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199167034">(May 29 2020 at 15:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>unsure how much people value this though :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199167200" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199167200">(May 29 2020 at 15:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>so as an update: it looks like PMs and mentions are connected in the UI</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199167243" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199167243">(May 29 2020 at 15:09)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="/user_uploads/4715/Zv-oAEqd3cIruHUZzbBgl_YN/image.png">image.png</a></p>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199167461" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199167461">(May 29 2020 at 15:11)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116266">Santiago Pastorino</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion/near/199166983">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>btw, one thing that I personally like about PMs is the closer kind of interactions it allows you to generate, I got to know a lot about contributors without personally having spent a lot of time with them</p>
</blockquote>
<p>That's one thing that I feel like I've missed out on - I don't think I know many of the other contributors very well, and partly that's because I've only really used public channels. I noticed the difference when chatting with <span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="119009">eddyb</span> during the bulk of the polymorphisation work, we got to chatting more and that was nice.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199167532" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199167532">(May 29 2020 at 15:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>(in general, I think that is something that it feels like Discord encourages more)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199167657" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199167657">(May 29 2020 at 15:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>It's an interesting problem for sure</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199167743" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199167743">(May 29 2020 at 15:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>Discord encourages more PMs because it's hard to keep focused discussions, imagine discussing things in #compiler 40 topics interleaved in the same space :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199167812" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199167812">(May 29 2020 at 15:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>Even in #compiler in Discord though, it feels more chatty a lot of the time than any Zulip topic does.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199168280" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199168280">(May 29 2020 at 15:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, I have no idea about that because I don't follow it, it's impossible for me to follow something like #compiler in Discord</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199168787" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199168787">(May 29 2020 at 15:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>This ... is a super interesting point. I have to admit, I hadn't considered that we might be losing some elements of, well, "social community" with the move to Zulip</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199169071" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199169071">(May 29 2020 at 15:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>well I'm not sure if I'd agree with that aspect</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199169091" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199169091">(May 29 2020 at 15:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>all I'm trying to say is ... the social aspect works better with PMs</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199169110" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199169110">(May 29 2020 at 15:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>regardless of Discord/Zulip</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199169130" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199169130">(May 29 2020 at 15:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>but then its only pair-wise social?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199169159" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199169159">(May 29 2020 at 15:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>and not, I dunno, a nice cocktail party kind of socialness?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199169211" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199169211">(May 29 2020 at 15:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>but you can socialize in groups here as you do in Discord</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199169226" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199169226">(May 29 2020 at 15:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>That could just be because there's never been a #compiler-people-hangout room in either platform</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199169264" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199169264">(May 29 2020 at 15:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>what I guess is that given that Discord kind of forces you to send PMs because it's hard to have 40 topics being discussed in one place, you end interacting more in one to one with people</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199169296" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199169296">(May 29 2020 at 15:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>indeed. It seems like a #socializing stream could be reasonable.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199169320" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199169320">(May 29 2020 at 15:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>but what I'm saying is that you could totally do that here too</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199169338" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199169338">(May 29 2020 at 15:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>well also a stream could work too</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199169373" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199169373">(May 29 2020 at 15:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>but my feeling is that in that regard PMs are always better</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199169455" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199169455">(May 29 2020 at 15:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>why is that, do you suppose? Just because people feel more at ease to share stuff over PM?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199169456" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199169456">(May 29 2020 at 15:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>but it's good to know that this bothers some people</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199169527" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199169527">(May 29 2020 at 15:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>e.g. an ability to speak frankly, for example?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199169550" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199169550">(May 29 2020 at 15:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm honestly curious</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199169604" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199169604">(May 29 2020 at 15:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>well I'd be willing to disclose personal aspects of my life with you in private than in a public channel</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199169631" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199169631">(May 29 2020 at 15:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>not opposed to share those with compiler members</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199169650" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199169650">(May 29 2020 at 15:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>no its true</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199169659" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199169659">(May 29 2020 at 15:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>FWIW we could (easily) have a private stream to that effect</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199169687" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199169687">(May 29 2020 at 15:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>especially since all these communications end up on zulip-archive.rlo</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199169701" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199169701">(May 29 2020 at 15:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>yep</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199169820" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199169820">(May 29 2020 at 15:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think, in the wake of coronavirus stuff, a #socializing stream makes a lot of sense</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199169844" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199169844">(May 29 2020 at 15:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>and it can be private, sure</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199169923" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199169923">(May 29 2020 at 15:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I don't actually know what private stream means, in terms of how the messages/content gets restricted.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199170012" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199170012">(May 29 2020 at 15:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>(e.g. are private streams invite-only to join/view ?)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199170057" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199170057">(May 29 2020 at 15:27)</a>:</h4>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199170192" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199170192">(May 29 2020 at 15:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>(those are Zulip's stream settings regarding who can see/post)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199170209" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> oli <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199170209">(May 29 2020 at 15:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>We need a fourth option: "forgetful" where the channel just drops all messages after a day or so</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199170238" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> oli <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199170238">(May 29 2020 at 15:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>(but the channel is still public)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199170523" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199170523">(May 29 2020 at 15:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>in theory you could do that with the API I imagine, but maybe nice to have it builtin</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199171488" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199171488">(May 29 2020 at 15:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>It might be nice to have a "scheduled" hangout. Not mandatory but just schedule a time where other people will be online with the intent of having not-rust conversation <span aria-label="slight smile" class="emoji emoji-1f642" role="img" title="slight smile">:slight_smile:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199171944" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199171944">(May 29 2020 at 15:42)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116083">pnkfelix</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion/near/199107181">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>my only problem is when people PM me</p>
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<p>by the way, this was ambiguous. I meant here to say that my problem is when people <em>I do not know</em> PM me</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199171964" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199171964">(May 29 2020 at 15:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>Maybe do some poll questions with those stupid "ice breakers" like "If you could have any super power, what would it be?" IDK, might be kind of fun.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199172006" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199172006">(May 29 2020 at 15:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>(if I already know you, or if we've <em>had</em> some form of chat somewhere, feel free to PM me...)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199172044" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199172044">(May 29 2020 at 15:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>((maybe all of this is leftover stress from when I was a member of rust-mods))</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199172142" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199172142">(May 29 2020 at 15:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>this discussion have been seriously very interesting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199172147" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199172147">(May 29 2020 at 15:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>:)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199172186" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199172186">(May 29 2020 at 15:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>I second a private socializing stream :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199187368" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199187368">(May 29 2020 at 17:43)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="198054">@mark-i-m</span> </p>
<blockquote>
<p>So I have a question especially targeted to team members and contributors: a lot people in the contributor survey expressed feeling bad about "wasting busy expert time" by asking questions. So my question is do you feel like questions from less experience contributors are disruptive to you or slowing you down?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I feel like Rust does particularly well in this area, in a specific way. It seems like many team members treat questions and mentoring as a high priority, specifically because that way we end up with more experts in the future, which reduces the bottleneck.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199187479" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199187479">(May 29 2020 at 17:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>In other words, people seem to treat "only one person can do this" as a bug, and relish opportunities to increase that number.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199194335" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199194335">(May 29 2020 at 18:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't mind being asked <em>but</em> I feel like there's probably a bit more going on than just telling people "don't feel bad". I thought <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="125250">@Wesley Wiser</span> made good points that having an explicit structure of "here's the person to ask" is helpful, and it also addresses the problem of "I don't know who's the right person to ask".</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199194374" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199194374">(May 29 2020 at 18:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess I will say that while I don't mind getting questions, I do get fairly regular "drive-by pings" that I only rarely have the energy to read and respond to</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199194537" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199194537">(May 29 2020 at 18:39)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116083">pnkfelix</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion/near/199168787">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>This ... is a super interesting point. I have to admit, I hadn't considered that we might be losing some elements of, well, "social community" with the move to Zulip</p>
</blockquote>
<p>fwiw I had considered this and considered it a plus, but maybe it's not as much a clear plus as I thought... I do kind of think that "chattiness" can be also kind of frustrating and distracting at times, when you're trying to "get work done" :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199194622" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199194622">(May 29 2020 at 18:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>I agree with that, and think that's why I would only want a separate steam here, if anything</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199194717" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199194717">(May 29 2020 at 18:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>Random thought: We have a CoC which formalizes what bad behavior is, but I'm not aware of any kind of document that gives "etiquette"  advice and formalizes what behaviors we want to encourage. Such a document would be a good place to point out that PM'ing questions to various people is allowed/encouraged but drive by pings aren't really helpful.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199194780" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199194780">(May 29 2020 at 18:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yes.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199194808" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199194808">(May 29 2020 at 18:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>BTW, one interesting take-away from the survey data so far was that a LOT of people claim to have read CONTRIBUTING.md</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199194814" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199194814">(May 29 2020 at 18:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>I admit that surprised me</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199194855" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199194855">(May 29 2020 at 18:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>but there is probably some space for us to put some material of that kind in there... or in somewhere linked to from there...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199194981" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199194981">(May 29 2020 at 18:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, that probably would be a good place for that especially as some of the more technical content seems to be moving to the rustc-guide.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199197015" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mark-i-m <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199197015">(May 29 2020 at 18:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>Well, this has been very interesting to read!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199197543" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mark-i-m <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199197543">(May 29 2020 at 19:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>From skimming the survey data, I think there are a handful of very clear action items (and a lot of things I don't know what to make of, but...). It seems like one very high priority thing is having a clear "getting started" guide (which we were already thinking about) that is aimed at beginners and says:</p>
<ul>
<li>Here is where to ask questions</li>
<li>Here is who to ask questions</li>
<li>Here are the 5 most important command to build/test X (for various X)</li>
<li>Here is a list of other resources (like the rustc-dev-guide)</li>
</ul>
<p>And the to link this "getting started" guide prominently on both rlo and the README in the repo.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199199303" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199199303">(May 29 2020 at 19:17)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">nikomatsakis</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion/near/199194808">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>BTW, one interesting take-away from the survey data so far was that a LOT of people claim to have read CONTRIBUTING.md</p>
</blockquote>
<p>GitHub does steer people towards it any time they go to open an issue or PR.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199199724" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mark-i-m <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199199724">(May 29 2020 at 19:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>Also, I've always found it interesting that our top-level README in rust-lang/rust is more aimed at people installing than people contributing.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199199741" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mark-i-m <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199199741">(May 29 2020 at 19:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>That always seemed a bit backwards</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199199807" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mark-i-m <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199199807">(May 29 2020 at 19:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>People installing should be pointed to <a href="https://www.rust-lang.org/tools/install">https://www.rust-lang.org/tools/install</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199200228" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199200228">(May 29 2020 at 19:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>what are people saying about CI?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199200422" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199200422">(May 29 2020 at 19:26)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="198054">@mark-i-m</span> you think so? README.md is the main landing point for someone who finds rust on github... do you think the people who find it on github are interested in contributing? Or in using it?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199200451" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199200451">(May 29 2020 at 19:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I would have assumed the latter)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199200538" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mark-i-m <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199200538">(May 29 2020 at 19:27)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="121055">Pietro Albini</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion/near/199200228">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>what are people saying about CI?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>11% (of almost 300 people) feel that CI times are too long. A handful of people have mentioned the order of bors queue as a bit odd. I think GHA will be a very pleasant improvement, but on the whole most people seemed to notice it (which is a testament to how well you and the infra/release teams have done, imho)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199200900" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mark-i-m <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199200900">(May 29 2020 at 19:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>Also, in terms of problems that new contributors run into, I would say long CI times are less likely to be noticed by them...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199201353" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199201353">(May 29 2020 at 19:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>I feel like the main README could probably just be very short</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199201427" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199201427">(May 29 2020 at 19:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>sort of</p>
<p>Welcome to Rust! It's an awesome language!</p>
<ul>
<li>If you want to install Rust, go here.</li>
<li>If you want to contribute to Rust, check out the rustc-dev-guide.</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199221717" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mark-i-m <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199221717">(May 29 2020 at 22:49)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116083">pnkfelix</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion/near/199200422">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="198054">mark-i-m</span> you think so? README.md is the main landing point for someone who finds rust on github... do you think the people who find it on github are interested in contributing? Or in using it?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Sorry, I somehow missed this comment</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199221821" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mark-i-m <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199221821">(May 29 2020 at 22:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>For a programming language, I assume that most people who go to the actual repo are interested in contributing or at least reading the code. If I want to use it, I tend to go the website. This is for programming languages specfically.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199221888" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mark-i-m <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199221888">(May 29 2020 at 22:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>That is, if I ask myself, suppose I wanted to use Go or kotlin, what would I do? My immediate intuition is to go to <a href="http://golang.org">golang.org</a> or <a href="http://kotlin-lang.org">kotlin-lang.org</a> (not sure if those exist, but that's what I would look for)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199221909" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mark-i-m <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199221909">(May 29 2020 at 22:51)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">nikomatsakis</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion/near/199201353">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>I feel like the main README could probably just be very short</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Yes, Santiago mentioned something like that to me earlier, I'm starting to come around to this point of view</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199276071" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199276071">(May 30 2020 at 21:08)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="+1" class="emoji emoji-1f44d" role="img" title="+1">:+1:</span>, yeah what Mark have said and agree with Niko :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199276086" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199276086">(May 30 2020 at 21:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>then rustc-dev-guide's could have a getting started first chapter that guides people through how to setup the environment and in general some basics about contributing</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199276124" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199276124">(May 30 2020 at 21:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess something like that would make a lot of sense</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199276148" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199276148">(May 30 2020 at 21:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>btw, what do people mean by drive-by pings? sorry non native speaker so I don't get what that means exactly</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199276211" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199276211">(May 30 2020 at 21:13)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">nikomatsakis</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion/near/199194537">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116083">pnkfelix</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion/near/199168787">said</a>:</p>
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<p>This ... is a super interesting point. I have to admit, I hadn't considered that we might be losing some elements of, well, "social community" with the move to Zulip</p>
</blockquote>
<p>fwiw I had considered this and considered it a plus, but maybe it's not as much a clear plus as I thought... I do kind of think that "chattiness" can be also kind of frustrating and distracting at times, when you're trying to "get work done" :)</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I was also talking in private with Felix about this, it's hard to find the right balance between the socializing part and getting work done meanwhile probably most of the people that are around are during their work hours</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199276322" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199276322">(May 30 2020 at 21:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>so yeah, as Felix has also said a dedicated stream may be the best solution considering both things, people could freely choose to be part of it or not and one could also have it muted so is not that distracting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199276332" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199276332">(May 30 2020 at 21:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>although unsure what happens if you have a topic/stream muted and you're mentioned on it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199289706" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mark-i-m <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199289706">(May 31 2020 at 04:26)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116266">Santiago Pastorino</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion/near/199276332">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>although unsure what happens if you have a topic/stream muted and you're mentioned on it</p>
</blockquote>
<p>You do get pinged in this case. I happen to have most zulip streams muted, but I occasionally get pinged in other places.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199293300" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199293300">(May 31 2020 at 06:17)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="198054">mark-i-m</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion/near/199221821">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>For a programming language, I assume that most people who go to the actual repo are interested in contributing or at least reading the code. If I want to use it, I tend to go the website. This is for programming languages specfically.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I think I normally visit project github pages to have a feel of the activity, sometimes to see if there's important bugs, see if it's worth investing time learning it. I think that's the case for most people, where there's normally more users than contributors.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199293343" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199293343">(May 31 2020 at 06:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>that said, it would be great to point people to the dev-guide</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199401748" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199401748">(Jun 01 2020 at 17:59)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116266">Santiago Pastorino</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion/near/199276148">said</a>:</p>
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<p>btw, what do people mean by drive-by pings? sorry non native speaker so I don't get what that means exactly</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I don't remember the context, but if I said it, what I probably meant was like "people talking about a given topic and just pinging me without really asking me a question" -- e.g., "<span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">nikomatsakis</span> said the problem was really hard..."</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199401992" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199401992">(Jun 01 2020 at 18:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>right, makes sense and I may have also done that too :), if so sorry</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199402049" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199402049">(Jun 01 2020 at 18:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>nah it's all good</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199402062" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199402062">(Jun 01 2020 at 18:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>I mean sometimes I <em>am</em> interested :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199402067" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199402067">(Jun 01 2020 at 18:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>anyway in general, it's good to know how others prefer to communicate</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199402094" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199402094">(Jun 01 2020 at 18:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>side note that Zulip allows you to tag people without notifying them</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199402102" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199402102">(Jun 01 2020 at 18:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>which is interesting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199402108" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199402108">(Jun 01 2020 at 18:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>e.g., @_ (username)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199402114" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199402114">(Jun 01 2020 at 18:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes, I use that a lot</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199402126" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199402126">(Jun 01 2020 at 18:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>that is, <span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116266">Santiago Pastorino</span> won't get pinged for this :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199402167" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199402167">(Jun 01 2020 at 18:02)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">nikomatsakis</span> says .. lol :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199402176" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199402176">(Jun 01 2020 at 18:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>you beated me</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199402214" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Noah Lev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199402214">(Jun 01 2020 at 18:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think I might have too on other Rust projects :). What's the equivalent of the <code>@_ (username</code> for GitHub? Just without the <code>@</code>?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199402357" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Noah Lev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199402357">(Jun 01 2020 at 18:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>E.g., instead of <code>@nikomatsakis</code>, just <code>nikomatsakis</code>?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199404822" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199404822">(Jun 01 2020 at 18:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah I guess so, I don't think there's an official syntax</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199419782" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mark-i-m <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199419782">(Jun 01 2020 at 20:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>I usually just right without the @ or I will put it in ticks so it is formatted as code, like you did just above</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a%20metaquestion/near/199446287" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mark-i-m <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/a.20metaquestion.html#199446287">(Jun 02 2020 at 03:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>btw, <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rustc-dev-guide/pull/731">https://github.com/rust-lang/rustc-dev-guide/pull/731</a></p>



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